Personally, I think a carry gun I can shoot 16 or 18 times before reloading is pretty damn cool.
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Personally, I think a carry gun I can shoot 16 or 18 times before reloading is pretty damn cool.
Marko Kloos | 26-Jan-09 at 5:59 pm | Permalink
Well, seeing how I carry a sixgun…if I’m ever attacked by 16 or 18 hoodlums, I’m just going to have to shoot the first six and hope it takes the fight out of the rest.
Tomcatshanger | 27-Jan-09 at 1:35 pm | Permalink
There is a certain warm fuzzy feeling with regard to capacity isn’t there?
DirtCrashr | 28-Jan-09 at 2:19 pm | Permalink
If attacked by many, try to get them lined-up so overpenetration is your friend and you can get two at a time. :-)
HTRN | 28-Jan-09 at 2:31 pm | Permalink
I’m curious to see how 10mm would have done.
Robert | 28-Jan-09 at 4:20 pm | Permalink
Remington 180gr JHP 10mm test:
http://www.brassfetcher.com/10mmAuto180grRemJHP.html
phlegmfatale | 29-Jan-09 at 10:12 am | Permalink
Wow, pretty!
Looks like wall art.
Tam | 29-Jan-09 at 11:09 am | Permalink
GENERALIZED RANT TO THE ENTIRE GUNTERNET:
Here’s a secret: .38 Spl +P 158gr LSWCHP will reliably expand to .6″ and shoot purt near clean through a man no matter which angle you shoot him from. Anything beyond that is just whistling past the graveyard.
I carry a 1911 because it works, and because I shoot it the best. I carry it in .45 because that’s the caliber that is most reliable in the gun.
Caliber itself is bullshit. Capacity is bullshit. All this “mine holds 18″ rounds stuff is just as much pointless wanking as the “Europellet” nonsense and you all know it as well as I do. This isn’t Mogadishu, and if it were, I’d be carrying a fucking carbine anyway.
Carry a gun that works. Carry the gun you trust and that you shoot best. Period fucking dot.
Jesus. Wept. But I have so lost all my tolerance for the silly gun forum/gun shoppe counter “Glunk” and “Europellet” and so forth pointless chest-beating about make, model, and caliber… Shouldn’t you people be off training someplace?
N.U.G.U.N. | 29-Jan-09 at 11:39 am | Permalink
Would like to see 165 grain .45ACP, and .38 Special and .357 Magnum loads.
.380 and .22LR would be nice as well…
pdb | 29-Jan-09 at 12:45 pm | Permalink
I’m curious to see how 10mm would have done.
It would look a lot like the .40 S&W test, which looks a lot like the 9mm test, which looks a lot like the .45 test, which looks a lot like the .355 SIG test.
GET IT?
Would like to see 165 grain .45ACP, and .38 Special and .357 Magnum loads.
See above. Plus .380.
Shouldn’t you people be off training someplace?
You’re pretty smart for a chick!
Kim du Toit | 29-Jan-09 at 3:42 pm | Permalink
So… you’re telling me that if I’m attacked by a homicidal block of ballistic gelatin, it really doesn’t matter what comes out the naughty end of my gun?
Damn.
Also: am I just a perv, or do those “wound channels” resemble slightly parted lipstick-ed lips?
Tam | 29-Jan-09 at 4:42 pm | Permalink
Hey Kim.
Thanks for confirming what I’ve long suspected.
-T.
RickyC | 29-Jan-09 at 10:12 pm | Permalink
I’m new to all this and everyone else seems to know what they’re looking at. ’splain it to me using little words. ;-)
Robert | 30-Jan-09 at 8:57 am | Permalink
Ricky:
PDB is using the images of round expansion and penetration into ballistic gel to show that .45ACP (which many still uphold as the only appropriate round to fire from anything that isn’t a 7.62 or bigger rifle) doesn’t hold any real advantage over any other round, including the much decried 9mm.
Tam, in her true wisdom, is pointing out that in a pistol, it really doesn’t matter what round you pick, as long as it works well for you, you are accurate with it, comfortable with it, and can depend on it. She also points out, corectly, that if this were a real serious social situation, a rifle/carbine is the better choice of weapon anyway.
Mr. Du Toit is showing his inner fetish for slightly parted red lips.
Kim du Toit | 30-Jan-09 at 11:23 am | Permalink
“Thanks for confirming what I’ve long suspected.”
Ditto.
Tam | 30-Jan-09 at 4:37 pm | Permalink
Heh.
I’ll accept that.
Rabbit | 30-Jan-09 at 6:56 pm | Permalink
I dunno, the temporary cavitation from the 357sig pretty much reinforces what I know about it, and why it (in a P229) and a P220 switch back and forth as daily carry.
Poking holes isn’t as nice as stretching them out once you get it in there, so the ladies I know tell me.
Regards,
Rabbit.
Steven Den Beste | 31-Jan-09 at 10:40 pm | Permalink
By the way, the width is more important than the length. (ahem)
The 9mm’s may go nearly as deep, but they aren’t making as big a hole.
Tam | 03-Feb-09 at 7:03 am | Permalink
Yes, they are, actually.
Any hollowpoint of a modern design, engineered to pass FBI protocols, is going to fairly reliably expand to between six and seven hundred thousandths, pretty much regardless of caliber. Most Gold Dot loadings from Speer, Golden Sabers, LE SXT loadings, Federal HST are all engineered to pass the same requirements in most bullet weights and calibers. Anybody who thinks that there is some magic place on the human body where a hit with a 165gr .40 cal GS would succeed but a 127gr +P Ranger would fail is betraying a total lack of knowledge of terminal ballistics.
It may be good for gun counter conversations, but wound ballisticians and forensics guys are going to laugh at you behind your back. Kind your mechanic would if you told him you liked the “V4″ engine in your Civic or your financial planner would if you told him you were going to follow the advice of the “Rich Dad Poor Dad” books…
Ben | 06-Feb-09 at 9:36 am | Permalink
Anyone want to buy a stainless Taurus 1911?
Tam | 06-Feb-09 at 9:38 am | Permalink
Not particularly.
Jay G. | 09-Feb-09 at 12:19 pm | Permalink
I see there’s no .357 Magnum listed…
(kidding)
The Freeholder | 24-Sep-09 at 9:56 am | Permalink
While this is interesting, I’d like to see some high-speed footage so that we can also evaluate the temporary wound channels. Knowing what the permanent ones look like are great, but I suspect that the temporary ones are the ones that have the greatest bearing on whether you get a quick stop or not.
Tam is right on one thing–if you’re expecting trouble, carry a long gun. Remember, “A pistol is something you carry to fight your way back to your long gun, which you shouldn’t have left behind in the first place.” We carry pistols because they’re convenient, not because they’re good stoppers. Know the limitations of the tool.
pdb | 24-Sep-09 at 12:10 pm | Permalink
The wispy red bits represent the temporary cavitation channel, which are pretty much irrelevant to wounding effects in projectiles that are traveling slower than rifle rounds.
anthony | 08-Feb-10 at 3:46 pm | Permalink
Well, from what i see the biggest difference would be just as Tam said… whatever your comfortable with. Weight and recoil play a part in that and also just as everyone else said, capacity… I love my .45 GAP but the 9+1 capacity sux.. so i’ma just buy extra mags. i’m comfortable with the gun and i love to shoot it. Find a good weight for the gun and you should be fine.