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Even More Open Carry Fail

[h/t to Bob Owens @ bearingarms.com]

December 28: Open carry advocate Derek Poe decides to open carry his AR-15 in a Texas shopping mall to “exercise his rights”, “normalize firearms carry” and such. The popo disagrees and hooks him up for disorderly conduct.

One week later: That selfsame shopping mall, which had previously had a corporate policy against customers carrying concealed pistols on the premises but was all “don’t ask, don’t tell” by not posting against it, now has signs at the entrances banning concealed carry.

Way to go, man! You sure increased awareness and exercised your rights straight into getting lawful carry banned for everybody!

Open carry demonstration advocacy has been politically successful in the past, but only when tightly focused on a contradiction in existing law, like the VCDL restaurant visits or Florida Carry’s fishing expeditions. Every time these guys try to “increase awareness” or “desensitize” or “normalize”, they end up screwing it up for everyone, just like this and in California.

Hey guys, the root word of “normalize” is “normal”. Strutting around the mall with your AR, dressed up in your zombie rig damn well isn’t normal behavior and will make people uncomfortable. If open carry advocates weren’t so goddamned Aspie and had some capacity for being sensitive to the emotions of others, they might understand why it’s detrimental to their cause.

If you want to do Open Carry right, don’t be a dick, put the rifle and MOLLE away, put on a decent pistol in a retention holster (ie, not an XD in a Serpa), dress up neatly, obey the law, don’t be a dick, and go about your business.

Otherwise, this is what you look like to the normal people who you’re trying to convince:

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Yeah, that’s normalizing all right. How’s that workin’ out for ya, Cali?

{ 14 } Comments

  1. Tam | January 12, 2014 at 2:14 pm | Permalink

    Heh.

  2. GunRacer | January 13, 2014 at 3:20 pm | Permalink

    See, the problem is that open carry of a pistol in Texas is strictly verboten. The only way to open carry (legally) is with a long gun– of course, that doesn’t make it NOT a terrible idea.

    If these open carry advocates would put half as much effort into lobbying their state reps as they do into their dumbassery, they might actually get something positive done.

  3. Tom Harvey | January 13, 2014 at 6:34 pm | Permalink

    Open carry may be legal some places, but there is no way you can do it without upsetting a lot of people in a lot of places. That is rude and not normal.

  4. Tom RKBA | January 13, 2014 at 7:21 pm | Permalink

    pdb, you are part of the problem. If 50% of all law abiding men in the US openly carried a handgun or long gun, crime against people would drastically drop in this country.

    “Open carry demonstration advocacy has been politically successful in the past, but only when tightly focused on a contradiction in existing law, like the VCDL restaurant visits or Florida Carry’s fishing expeditions. Every time these guys try to “increase awareness” or “desensitize” or “normalize”, they end up screwing it up for everyone, just like this and in California.”

    First, you do understand California law. There is not right to keep and bear arms in the California constitution. Citizens open carried at the whim of the legislature. The legislature revoked that privilege, which they would have done eventually (see current law and the soon to be law background check requirement for ammunition purchases). Carry of any sort is not tolerated in that state.

    Second, you demand that someone appear “normal”. This is completely retarded on its face; you’re not “normal” if you carry a gun at all! This country is supposed to be about individualism, yet you advocate the opposite. Perhaps you should check yourself a bit and realize who has the gumption to stand up against government whim.

    Finally, there is no right to “feeling comfortable”, much less “right to freedom from fear”. A man who is openly carrying a weapon is exercising his right. Except in four states, a man carrying a concealed handgun is exercising a privilege granted by the state. A holstered handgun or slung long gun is safe. If a hopolophobe can’t bear the sight of an openly carried weapon without urinating, then that’s their problem.

    The whole notion of “screwing it up for the rest of us” indicates that you firmly believe that the right to bear arms is a privilege that the government may revoke at any time. Oh, you may claim otherwise, but your attitude reveals what you truly feel and think about bearing arms. I don’t like dirty hippies, but at least I respect their right to (annoying) free speech.

  5. Chem | January 13, 2014 at 8:07 pm | Permalink

    Tom, I know arguing with you is a waste of time, but as an anecdote I have seen one person open carrying in my area in the last week (it is quite legal and fairly common). He walked into the place where I get my hair cut as I was leaving. He was carrying a Bersa in a cheap nylon holster that was flapping on his cheap belt.

    Now I know it is his right. I have no qualm with him doing it. But as a person who cares about firearms, cares about being prepared and cares about the way we present ourselves as gun owners I wish he presented himself differently. I don’t want to require him to do anything, but I do wish he had a better fallback plan if deterence failed than sh*t gun, with sh*t holster on sh*t belt. I wish he was better trained since I refuse to believe that a person who shoots a lot would choose that as his personal defensive firearm.

    I say again, I would not force him to do anything but I am also not going to give him an attaboy for his choices.

  6. Tom RKBA | January 13, 2014 at 9:15 pm | Permalink

    Chem,

    You are very judgmental. How do you know he could afford better gear? Do you know the man? Just because you do not approve of his gun and gear does not make it bad, nor does it damage the right to keep and bear arms. Some of the most honorable people I know dress like complete slobs. Is the First Amendment damaged when they speak about politics because they don’t cut their hair while wearing a ripped t-shirt, ugly jeans and flip-flops?

    In the following video, Dave Champion talks about holding liberty in our hearts and minds and treating other Americans with liberty in mind.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sZph10Wh0Is#t=1099

  7. Tam | January 14, 2014 at 3:02 pm | Permalink

    Perhaps you should check yourself a bit and realize who has the gumption to stand up against government whim.

    Bla-bla-bla, yakkity-shmakkity.

    Until you march across the statehouse lawn with a homemade machine gun with no Form 4, you’re just as big a chicken as the people you mock.

    Rosa Parks sat in the bus seat when it was illegal. She knew she’d go to jail. Racist cops with fire hoses and police dogs couldn’t stop the civil rights marchers; rifle carry advocates got shut down by a pack of hipster Seattle baristas.

  8. HGT | January 14, 2014 at 3:41 pm | Permalink

    @Chem
    It is not so much the crappy gun but the crappy belt and crappy holster that irks me. It would be better for you to strike up a conversation with that guy and gently explain why his carry rig needs improvement.

    @Tom RKBA
    There are certain things that we need to be objective about and a crappy floppy nylon holster is one of them.

    A holster setup like Chem mentioned will get that guy killed.

    Run a cheap floppy nylon holster in a force on force class and see how far you get.

  9. me | January 15, 2014 at 1:01 am | Permalink

    You demand that he open carry a pistol instead of a rifle but TX law only allows open carry of a rifle. You are suggesting that he break the law, as open carry of a pistol is illegal in TX!

    The way to really normalize guns is to open carry but to simultaneously refuse to do business with posted businesses. Money talks.

    The real problem here is not the open carrier or even anti-carry Nazis like you. The problem here is that we have a nation of wimps who don’t want to see anybody carrying a firearm except the police. They refuse to take responsibility for defending themself and don’t want to see anybody else do so, either.

    It’s time to quit hiding our worldview and being afraid for people to know we are responsible for our own safety. It’s time to quit being afraid or embarrassed about guns. Let’s have a coming out party and be bold enough for people to know that we support guns in the hands of law abiding citizens.

    So I’m asking you to come over to the dark side and become an open carrier! Nervy, huh? Give it a try! You may find it liberating!!

  10. me | January 15, 2014 at 11:41 am | Permalink

    Correction: anti-*open* carry Nazis

  11. Tam | January 15, 2014 at 11:58 am | Permalink

    Your beatdown of a helpless strawman tells me that you really have no idea what you read or to whom you are talking, do you?

  12. brad | January 15, 2014 at 11:12 pm | Permalink

    So I’m asking you to come over to the dark side and become an open carrier! Nervy, huh? Give it a try! You may find it liberating!!

    I’m sure the Texas concealed carry holders that were just “liberated” from being able to carry in that mall are enjoying every minute of it.

  13. Larry | January 24, 2014 at 3:12 am | Permalink

    Something wrong with a SERPA? Or an XD?

    I have a SERPA. I don’t use it because I suck with it, but otherwise I have no issues with it. I don’t have an XD but I know people who do, and it’s an acceptable firearm to them. Other than those snide little digs you are saying act like you have some sense, which is good advice no matter where you are or what you are doing.

    As far as not being a dick…might want to see to following your own advice there.

  14. pdb | January 24, 2014 at 9:47 am | Permalink

    The SERPA is a dangerous design that significantly increases the odds of a ND during the draw, and is also known for getting debris jammed under the release button. It has been banned by most reputable shooting schools. There are several alternatives available for the same price that are far superior.

    The XD is also a flawed and stupid design, having both a failure prone grip safety that locks the slide into position, and it can also be reassembled in such a way that pins need to be drilled out to fix it. It’s never won a competitive LEO contract and is unpopular in competition, for good reasons. And the worst part is, it’s the same price as a real gun.