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Note that this XD-s malfunction was not induced during firing, but rather when manually ejecting a round. Repeatedly.

Blah blah blah, sample of one, mine works fine, okay. But when it’s uncommon in competition and police issue, with recognized design defects, supported only through a dedicated and expensive marketing campaign, and most importantly, when other proven, reliable, popular designs are available for about the same price, I cannot figure out why people keep buying this piece of junk.

I’m just sayin’, when a country drinks more than the Irish, you should probably not buy your pistols from there.

{ 19 } Comments

  1. Ron Larimer | October 11, 2012 at 9:00 am | Permalink

    I love a good unprovoked XD hit piece. Mine say the same things.

  2. Xman | October 11, 2012 at 12:38 pm | Permalink

    Don your hip waders, boys! We gots outselves a good ol’ fashioned pissin’ match ’bout to start!

  3. Michael Cosgrpve | October 11, 2012 at 4:48 pm | Permalink

    I agree. Most people sing the praises of the XD until they actually start to shoot them. Then they mysteriously disappear and Glocks and M&P’s and HK’s appear in their place and nothing is ever spoken again of the Croation Nightmare.

  4. Pete Jones | October 11, 2012 at 10:42 pm | Permalink

    I looked through your linked pages, I don’t see a pocket carry 45 listed by any of them

  5. Tam | October 12, 2012 at 6:50 am | Permalink

    People are just going to buy shitty guns, and there’s nothing you or I or anybody else can do about it.

  6. pdb | October 12, 2012 at 7:08 am | Permalink

    People are just going to buy shitty guns, and there’s nothing you or I or anybody else can do about it.

    Some people tilt at windmills, some people tilt at the human capacity for self deception.

  7. pdb | October 12, 2012 at 7:09 am | Permalink

    I looked through your linked pages, I don’t see a pocket carry 45 listed by any of them

    So what?

  8. Dan | October 12, 2012 at 8:04 am | Permalink

    H&K is “about the same price” as an XD. Really?

  9. pdb | October 12, 2012 at 8:32 am | Permalink

    H&K is “about the same price” as an XD. Really?

    About $600 for a piece of crap vs $800 for the pistol with probably the highest QC in the industry? Yeah, that’s about equivalent to me.

  10. Dan | October 12, 2012 at 9:37 am | Permalink

    I think you are cherry picking data to prove your point, comparing pistols at different parts of the price scale. To compare apples to apples would be to look at the cheapest new XD in a standard cal (9mm or above) versus the cheapest new H&K. On Buds (as good a proxy as any) I see new H&K USPs in 9mm for $785, in line with your assertion on price there. However I am seeing new XDs in 9 and 40 for $430.00, substantially less than your $600 assertion.

    To expand the viewpoint, on gunsamerica the cheapest new XDs are approximately $400, while the cheapest new H&Ks are around $800 and the used get down into the $750 range.

    You are claiming a $200 price delta when the reality is about a $340.00 to $350 delta. You are perfectly entitled to call the XD a “piece of junk” but a cursory analysis of pricing patterns does not match your claims on cost.

  11. TomcatTCH | October 12, 2012 at 11:08 am | Permalink

    Hey Dan, heard of Glock? the S&W M&P?
    YOU are cherry picking the hell out of your data buddy.

  12. pdb | October 12, 2012 at 11:15 am | Permalink

    Really we’re just splitting hairs here. I like to throw the P30 into the Glock / M&P mix as an option for someone who’s willing to pay a little extra to get absolutely the best out of the box pistol they can get for any money. I don’t personally buy H&Ks (anymore) because Glocks are fine for my needs and have advantages of their own, but I’d be happy owning any of the three.

  13. Dan | October 12, 2012 at 11:43 am | Permalink

    Tomcat I was taking exception with an exaggeration in the original post. My focus was purely on the notion that an XD and H&K are anywhere near comparable in price, when the reality of the situation is that you can get an XD in 9 and throw in 1000 rounds of ammo (if you buy in bulk) before you get to the H&K price point.

    M&P and Glock are within $50-$100 bucks of an XD depending on regional pricing, which is more comparable. I happen to have trigger time on an XD, an M&P, and a Glock and I like them all, any differences between them are purely from a preference point of view. I would love to shoot an H&K one day as they have the excellent reputation mentioned. A big advantage the H&K has that not many consider is the fact that since it is hammer fired as opposed to striker one can dry fire practice a lot easier. One could certainly argue an H&K is better value since you can buy it and dry fire as opposed to having to buy one of those SIRTs in addition to a striker fired pistol.

  14. Bill | October 12, 2012 at 1:05 pm | Permalink

    If H&K were all that they are made out to be here, no one would own anything else above the 600 dollar price point. The simple truth is that H&K makes good weapons, but they aren’t perfect, and malfunctions occur with them just like they do with any pistol.

  15. Jerry | October 12, 2012 at 10:50 pm | Permalink

    I’ll toss in a CZ for shits and giggles. I hear Col. Cooper was quite fond of the metal ones.

  16. mike w. | October 15, 2012 at 9:50 am | Permalink

    When you can buy a perfectly good Walther PPQ for ~$500 without some stupid grip safety….

  17. AM | October 17, 2012 at 1:31 pm | Permalink

    If the extractor is working fine in normal operation, more than likely the operator isn’t using their man hands in the clearing operation. Weak cycle any firearm with a fixed blade ejector and get the same “malfunction” whether it be a k98 or M9.

  18. Tam | October 19, 2012 at 9:42 am | Permalink

    AM,

    If the extractor is working fine in normal operation, more than likely the operator isn’t using their man hands in the clearing operation.

    This is what one could call a “Known Issue” with the .45ACP ones and loaded rounds. It is the same thing that will happen if you put an extended ejector in a 1911 with a GI ejection port.

  19. AM | October 31, 2012 at 10:22 am | Permalink

    Glocks do it
    I carry a gen 2 glock 19, when i carry I also keep a round in the chamber. Is it bad to dry fire the gun so to speak when i de cock it? Also it is such a serious pain in the ass to get the last round out! I drop the mag and pull the slide back the bullet in the chamber just can’t sits there then tilts off to an awkward angle and gets stuck. I hate it about this gun, how do i get the last round out more efficiently?
    From: http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=19319089

    Walters do it
    After a day of carry it’s time to put my PPK away in the safe for the night. Now, everyone knows you don’t store firearms loaded so I do my safety ritual of removing the magazine and clearing the chamber. This means removing the live round from the battery by briskly pulling the slide to the rear, theoretically ejecting the cartridge from the pistol. Only trouble is, the extractor does not send the round flying out as I believe it should. The cartridge merely lies loose in the action and I must always tip my PPK to the right and wiggle it until the cartridge plops out. Same thing with my P38, even if I pull the slide back as fast as I can.
    From: http://www.waltherforums.com/forum/pp-tp-series/19570-anyone-else-have-trouble-ejecting-live-rounds.html

    Sig’s do it.
    When I try to clear a chambered WWB 230grain round, it often (always) jams diagonally in the ejection port with the rim to the left rear and the nose to the right front. I can’t duplicate the problem with snap caps because they are shorter than the WWB ammo.
    http://forums.1911forum.com/showthread.php?t=364889

    Kahr’s do it.
    My CW40 won’t eject an unfired round.
    From: http://kahrtalk.com/archive/index.php/t-8823.html

    Keltec’s do it.
    So I finally loaded up my P32 with FMJs, and turns out the damn thing jams up when I try to clear a full-length round from the chamber. Hollowpoints eject fine, but it’s a damn .32, and I’ve decided in favor of penetration.
    From: http://zombiehunters.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=70681

    Rugers do it.
    The only issue I had was not being able to eject live rounds of the Magtech JHP.
    From a comment here: http://www.gunsholstersandgear.com/2008/02/04/ruger-lcp-pistol/

    What can I say, haters gotta hate.

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