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Walk Tall

Reading my favorite blogs this morning, there sure is a lot of hang dog pity partying going on. It’s hard not to join them, as Mark Steyn repeatedly points out, this is the point of no return for a representative democracy. Once the state involves itself with everyone’s medicine there is no part of life that it will exclude itself from. Historically, no country has shrunk the state after this step has been taken. Every rational reading of the numbers seems to indicate that this is the beginning of our decline into a dying, European style welfare state. It’s time to give up, get a government job and line up for our slice of 100% fat free, algore approved non-global warming cheese.

But you know what? Fuck that.

We are AMERICANS goddamnit. We are the posterity of Patrick Henry, Chuck Yeager, Carlos Hathcock, George Patton, Daniel Boone, Buzz Aldrin, Chesty Puller, John McClane, Frank Fletcher, Thomas Edison and George Washington and countless other hardass shitkickers who stared down tougher opponents than Nanci Pelosi. Repealing this half-assed bullshit bill is going to be damn near impossible, but #DEITY put Americans on earth to do the impossible. Get a dozen guys to the moon and bring them back in one piece? Done. Build a car everyone can afford when the rest of the world is relying on animal power? Easy. Get a fucked-up aircraft carrier back in action in 3 days instead of 3 months, so it can win the most improbable victory of the West? You betcha. Build a horrific nuclear arsenal in order to never have to use it? Been doing that for half a century, son. Personal computers for everyone, network them all together, and then make them pocket sized? You’re welcome! Do heart surgery by going in through your goddamned leg, so we can avoid cracking your chest open? Yeah, we invented that too.

So chin up, you sons of bitches. Walk tall. Be proud, not weary. We are made bigger by big challenges. Rehearse your arguments, prepare your lists of legislators for the fall, get ready to volunteer for the correct candidate and oppose the traitors. Flood the papers and blogs with letters and posts and comments, let nobody forget who inflicted this upon us. Load your magazines and sharpen your knives.

I don’t care if we have to rescind this bullshit through the courts, elections, legislative tomfoolery or outright violence, but this travesty will not stand. It is my responsibility as a father and duty as a free man, and I am proud to bear it.

{ 54 } Comments

  1. Breda | March 22, 2010 at 9:10 am | Permalink

    I could hug you for this.

  2. xyankeeworkshop | March 22, 2010 at 9:16 am | Permalink

    The time for being nice is over. Someone should inform the Republican Party of this news.

  3. Jay G. | March 22, 2010 at 9:22 am | Permalink

    I heard the “Battle Hymn of the Republic” playing in my head as I read this.

    Interesting that it had to come from a Canadian…

    :D

  4. alan | March 22, 2010 at 9:25 am | Permalink

    Yep, it’s time to break out the big stick.

  5. mike w. | March 22, 2010 at 9:51 am | Permalink

    Hell yes PDB! This was a big “Fuck You” to the American people and those responsible need to be punished accordingly.

    Too bad we can’t use tar & feathers.

  6. Lagniappe's Guy | March 22, 2010 at 9:52 am | Permalink

    It’s on like Donkey Kong.

  7. cybrus | March 22, 2010 at 12:12 pm | Permalink

    “Go ahead and run. Run home and cry to mama. I’m through runnin’. I stay we stay and fight.”
    – Ash, Army of Darkness

  8. George | March 22, 2010 at 12:20 pm | Permalink

    Thanks, PDB. I needed that.

  9. doubletrouble | March 22, 2010 at 12:30 pm | Permalink

    Thanks man, I needed that.
    Well said, & I’m linking…

  10. Rustmeister | March 22, 2010 at 1:41 pm | Permalink

    Outstanding!

  11. bluntobject | March 22, 2010 at 1:46 pm | Permalink

    Good to see some sisu on the internet this morning. Great stuff!

  12. Keith | March 22, 2010 at 5:50 pm | Permalink

    Fuckin A. That’s what I needed, thanks.

  13. Scott | March 22, 2010 at 6:09 pm | Permalink

    It ain’t over until we say it is. Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? Hell no!

  14. Dan Patterson | March 22, 2010 at 6:53 pm | Permalink

    Well yeah.
    What else can we do besides kick somebody’s ass?

  15. Old NFO | March 22, 2010 at 7:05 pm | Permalink

    Concur! Remember in November!!!

  16. Dixie | March 22, 2010 at 7:33 pm | Permalink

    Nice to hear something else besides a lot of belly-aching today. Well said my friend!

  17. Tam | March 22, 2010 at 8:46 pm | Permalink

    Goddam right! We are the posterity of Alexander Hamilton, Woodrow Wilson, William Jennings Bryan, George McLellan, Franklin Roosevelt, Huey Long, and Eugene Debs!

    Let’s not start giving each other hand jobs just yet, okay?

  18. Drang | March 22, 2010 at 8:48 pm | Permalink

    HOO-AH!!!

    Shortly I will be posting a short rant on the WA Hometown Forum on AR15.com which may well get me banned. Too many assholes there saying things like “I intend to just keep working, call me in November.” Too many people who ignored Tea Parties are now convinced there’s nothing to be done.

    If it wasn’t for state Attorney General Rob McKenna announcing he’s “in” on the 10-state constitutional challenge, I’d think I was the closest thing to an optimist in the Evergreen State.

  19. pdb | March 22, 2010 at 9:11 pm | Permalink

    You keep that damn reality out of here Tam, we’re trying to be positive.

  20. IdahoHunter | March 22, 2010 at 9:57 pm | Permalink

    Mike W

    Why can’t we use tar and feathers? Oh yeah that is prohibited by law, kinda like, Oh hell just pick any thing the House did last night. If we can’t use tar and feathers, how do you feel about rope?
    Tam,
    Do you have any metaphor that is not sexual? It is really not flattering. Try to elevate your level of thought

  21. Tam | March 22, 2010 at 10:02 pm | Permalink

    Idahohunter,

    Eat me.

  22. DirtCrashr | March 22, 2010 at 10:13 pm | Permalink

    Walk tall – at least we don’t walk big.

  23. IdahoHunter | March 22, 2010 at 10:19 pm | Permalink

    Tam,
    Good effort

  24. Epijunky | March 22, 2010 at 10:21 pm | Permalink

    I don’t know you, and I’ve never read your blog before. I came here via MedicMatthew.

    I needed to read this. And so do so many others.

    Well done, Sir.

  25. MedicMatthew | March 22, 2010 at 10:21 pm | Permalink

    Can a brother get a hell yeah!?

    For the record it was ‘America The Beautiful’ playing in my head whilst reading this post.

  26. SJgunguy24 | March 23, 2010 at 2:25 am | Permalink

    I posted shit like this on my FB page and I was called “melodramatic”. WTF?! Over. See at least before the government would need to use strong arm tactics, illegal warrants, and confidentially contracts would have to be breached. Now they can willy nilly go through your shit and exclude you form benefits, jobs, and anything else they feel like.

  27. Adam | March 23, 2010 at 8:42 am | Permalink

    So the calm rational response to not getting your way is murder? The fact that finally a small bussiness has the same access to healthcare as a large company means we should slit peoples throats? If you have a specific problem with a bill that would be one thing, but to be running off and saying it’s time to shoot people because one bill didn’t go the way of your talking heads in Washington that, to me, labels you as a dangerous extreamist, who doesn’t want to participate in democracy, but instead act like a school yard bully. Grow up.

  28. pdb | March 23, 2010 at 8:51 am | Permalink

    The fact that finally a small bussiness has the same access to healthcare as a large company means we should slit peoples throats?

    This statement is demonstrably, laughably, untrue and would only be uttered by someone who had swallowed the DNC’s talking points hook, line and sinker. Someone who actually had a passing knowledge of economics would not be so gullible.

    Here’s the deal. If you want government run healthcare, move to England or France. Oh, wait, there’s no jobs there? FUNNY HOW THAT WORKS. The few of us who just want to be left alone have no where else to go! Instead of fucking up the last bastion of free enterprise on the planet, consider moving to a place that’s already fucked up.

    Thanks!

  29. Glenn B | March 23, 2010 at 9:57 am | Permalink

    Your comment about ‘getting a government job’ is quite disconcerting. I am a government employee and have been for 31 years. I bust my ass to help keep this country safe. I have the scars to prove it. Yet you would disparage government employees as some type of socialist flunkies in the context in which you made that statement. Hell, there are many of us who agree that this legislation is a piece of anti-American tyranny that needs to be smashed then trashed and buried so deep as to never appear again. I am one of them. I also believe less government is much better. I also strongly support the RKBA. I support our troops and believe we should continue and win the Global War on Terrorism. I support lower taxes and less government spending (yes even though I am employed by the government). I think agencies like the Dept. of Energy and the Dept. Of Education and others should be eliminated as soon as possible. There are many other government employees out there who think just like me. We could be your allies in this fight.

    If you want to get people together to defeat socialism in this country – do not alienate your allies by making them appear to be your enemies or making them appear to be part of the problem.

    Sincerely,
    Glenn Bartley

  30. noone | March 23, 2010 at 10:06 am | Permalink

    Nothing extremist here. The bill passed with overwhelming opposition from the citizenry. The very same citizenry who for the past 10 months have been labeled with a vulgar term. A TX rep yells BabyKiller and all of a sudden, it’s front page news? Where’s the outrage for the past 10 months been? Who needs to grow up? The ones who ignore insults and continue to exercise their rights or those that call for disiplinary action because their feeling got hurt? The bill was architected behind closed doors. Members were prevented from going home to gauge their constituents reactions. It was obvious further debate was needed but our politburo needed this thing passed and rammed this through anyway. Land of the Free and Home of the Brave. Even though the first part of that phrase appears to be dead, I will go down swinging to ensure that the second part remains true.

  31. DesertRat | March 23, 2010 at 11:02 am | Permalink

    I have visions of George C. Scott in a general’s uniform saying that with a giant American flag in the background.

  32. xyankeeworshop | March 23, 2010 at 12:12 pm | Permalink

    Glenn B,
    Thanks for your service in keeping the country safe. I truly appreciate it and so does everyone else here. Well, maybe Adam doesn’t, but whatever.

    That said, try to be a little thicker-skinned and not get butthurt at pdb’s government drone comment. You know exactly the type of person at whom that shot is aimed and you hinted as much in your comments about the DoEs.

    If I may offer a parting word of advice: If you want to get people together to defeat socialism in this country – do not alienate your allies by making them appear to be your enemies or making them appear to be part of the problem. Or something.

  33. Laughingdog | March 23, 2010 at 1:58 pm | Permalink

    I can’t speak for anyone else, but I’m not really in the “I give up group” as much as I’m in the “How the fuck do I help fix this??”. Unfortunately, that’s the pissed off but aimless context.

    As for the government job, I think having one just makes me feel more betrayed. I spent four years in the Navy, serving through Desert Storm and Desert Shield. Now I work for the Navy fixing the ships so the current day sailors can keep defending us. Now, the government I’ve been supporting through my sweat has turned on me in a way I never believed before was really possible.

  34. Adam | March 23, 2010 at 3:09 pm | Permalink

    “This statement is demonstrably, laughably, untrue and would only be uttered by someone who had swallowed the DNC’s talking points hook, line and sinker. Someone who actually had a passing knowledge of economics would not be so gullible.”

    Instead of a personal attack, how about you explain to me, how this bill passing makes it harder for a small business to get health insurance?

    “Here’s the deal. If you want government run healthcare”

    Here’s another deal. This bill doesn’t give us government run healthcare. I just double checked but it actually appears to keep private companies providing health insurance, and indeed seems to increase competition for health insurance. Right now I have 2 choices for health insurance, that provided by my work place, or that provided by my wifes. Due to a pre-existing condition I cannot get private health insurance. Now in a couple of years I will be able to buy from anyone on the exchange. Why is this a bad thing?

    Why is it bad that kids can stay on their parents plan until they are 26? Why is it bad that small companies can get a tax break to make up for their lack of bargaining power? Why is it bad that owners of small companies now can actually get health insurance, instead of having to pay twice what they would have to pay if they worked for someone else?

    Don’t give me regurgitated talking points, I can watch Glen Beck myself. Tell me why YOU think these are all bad things.

  35. elmo iscariot | March 23, 2010 at 3:22 pm | Permalink

    Tell me why YOU think these are all bad things.

    Don’t be a child. You know perfectly well that nobody thinks “people getting medical care” is a bad thing. It’s the price it comes at that’s unacceptable.

    Completely aside from the fact that this bill is poorly constructed. Completely aside from the fact that big government grows inexorably as each generation accepts the last round as normal and looks to the government to fix its latest earthshattering social problem. Completely aside from very reasonable concerns that socialism inverts social incentives in ways that very likely make it unsustainable in the long run…

    This bill was unconstitutional, clearly inserting the federal government in regulatory affairs reserved to the states. That the fed has spent centuries finding excuses to ignore the limits of its legitimate powers doesn’t make the latest abuse any less outrageous.

    If a measure violates the Constitution, I don’t care how beneficial it might be. The long term cost will be much greater than any gain, and we’ll lose something far more valuable than medical care.

  36. pdb | March 23, 2010 at 3:41 pm | Permalink

    “This statement is demonstrably, laughably, untrue and would only be uttered by someone who had swallowed the DNC’s talking points hook, line and sinker. Someone who actually had a passing knowledge of economics would not be so gullible.”

    Instead of a personal attack, how about you explain to me, how this bill passing makes it harder for a small business to get health insurance?

    It’s not an attack, it’s a plain statement of fact. If you do not understand how price controls, moral hazard and flat out encouraging rent seeking is going utterly annihilate the insurance and health care industry at large, then you have zero knowledge of economics and are commenting about subjects you do not understand.

    I just double checked but it actually appears to keep private companies providing health insurance, and indeed seems to increase competition for health insurance.

    Until they go bankrupt or stop offering insurance, because the government price controls are about 20% below their margin. And the “increased competition” absolutely nothing of the kind. Real competition would be removing restrictions on interstate bidding. This bill is completely anti-competitive by adding restrictions on risk pooling. Remove restrictions = increased competition. Add restrictions = government health care. Do you get it yet?

    What do price controls always result in? If you can answer this, we can continue the conversation intelligently. Otherwise, you have reading to do.

    Don’t give me regurgitated talking points, I can watch Glen Beck myself.

    I don’t watch TV news, and I think it’s fairly obvious who the person regurgitating talking points is here.

  37. pdb | March 23, 2010 at 4:41 pm | Permalink

    So I just got a call from my health insurance provider. My family rates are going up $200/month … $2400/year per employee effective April 1st.

    So how’s that “greater competition” going for ya?

  38. Darlene Lee | March 23, 2010 at 8:01 pm | Permalink

    The American people have been trying to let the Democrats know how we feel. They’re not listening. Hopefully, people will not have short memories, and we can start changing things peacefully in November.

    I am teaching fourth graders about how our government is SUPPOSED to run. That our elected officials are SUPPOSED to LISTEN TO THE PEOPLE. It is very hard to teach those ideals with what is going on in our country right now. The leadership of the Democratic Party, including O’bama, Pelosi, and Reid, are nothing but arrogant, power hungry Socialists.

    Most people agree that something needs to be done to fix health care. But, most of us didn’t want this. Pelosi equates this legislation to Medicare and Social Security…and they are both broke. There’s something to look forward to in the future. :(

    I cannot express how concerned I am for the future of my country and my children!

  39. Adam | March 23, 2010 at 9:12 pm | Permalink

    “What do price controls always result in? ”

    Well the only thing I can think of off the top of my head that is price controlled is land line phone service. It looks like it results in one of the highest rate of connected people on the planet, and one of the best phone systems on the planet (even though the population density here in the US sucks). Lets see, I my electrical power is also government run here (Nebraska) and we have the 4th cheapest power in the country, so once again government control of basic services seems to be a good thing.

    “Until they go bankrupt or stop offering insurance”

    An interesting theory. Of course the fact that they will gain 31 million customers might help them bring costs down (after all the bigger the group you insure the cheaper it is to insure them). Also, the insurance companies will be required to spend 80 – 85% of the premiums on health care. So they get to keep 15 – 20% for their overhead and profit. Right now, the best figure I could find were that private insurance companies have a 17% overhead, but that includes the costs of marketing and profit. So they will need to slightly trim their overhead costs, I seriously doubt this will put anyone out of business (and the stock market would seem to agree with me there).

  40. xyankeeworkshop | March 24, 2010 at 7:06 am | Permalink

    “Of course the fact that they will gain 31 million customers might help them bring costs down…”

    Sigh.

    31 million new patients, many with pre-existing conditions, looking to get the most personal advantage they can on their shiny new taxpayer-supplied healthcare insurance will never magically upend the law of supply and demand with regard to the finite supply of doctors. No problem there, right?. The docs would never raise their rates based on a larger crowd of sicker people in their waiting rooms, would they? Paying for that would never tend to raise insurance rates for everyone across the board, would it?

    Oh wait, maybe if the government arbitrarily capped payments to doctors for their services – just like Medicare! Doctors would never tend to say “fuck this – I’m going to hang it up and go golfing instead”. Med students would never say “fuck this – a quarter million bucks and 12 years of my life just to be jerked around by bureaucrats”, right?

    Yeah, this’ll work out just fine. Command economies rock.

  41. H.A. | March 24, 2010 at 5:11 pm | Permalink

    @pdb- you and others have made excellent points. If people believe in Socialism they *should* move to countries where it exists. I have lived in some of those countries. Love the land, the food, the beauty. But would NEVER remain there and have been very clear in teaching my children why the United States is the last best hope. This bill may have wrecked everything for posterity, but since we’re among the generation living to see it happen in front of our eyes we have the obligation to fight (peacefully) with everything we have no matter whether it seems futile. Future generations will not understand what has been lost and won’t decide to fight until times have become unbearable. It is what much of the rest of the world is in the middle of now. I’ve seen it with my own eyes in Europe during my years there, and when APATHY sets in there’s not much that can be done.

    Oh- and to Glenn: You shouldn’t have taken that personally. Really. We’re all on the same side. I don’t mean to be trite and tell you how to feel. I’m just saying that my husband spent 10 years in the military before beginning to work at a government job and that’s where he’s been for 4 years. He’s one of us through and through and he totally gets what it means- it’s about when the only entity with a bankroll is the government we’re in trouble. It’s not about everyone who has a government job being a shlub or something. Obviously there are necessary jobs and honest decent patriots who work for the government. I know tons of them! And they’re just as frightened as we are of the probability that THE government has unconstitutionally passed legislation that grows its size and scope and control beyond reason. No nation survives that kind of total control and corruption.

    I’ve read Adam’s comments and I see plenty of that online elsewhere. I’ve gotten to the point where I’m weary of trying to explain it. I don’t know about the rest of you but I feel like it’s time to take stock of which kinds of people are capable of understanding it and only focus a small amount of energy on trying to show/teach them what they maybe have missed. Otherwise we just need to pull those of us together who already get it and figure out how to fix this mess. Sharpening your skills with how to convey the facts is great but don’t put too much energy into it when it’s obvious that someone will only do one sided research and will throw out any contrary facts/evidence that don’t support what they have predetermined to be the truth. The problem is that when you are talking to someone who does that, they *believe* that WE have also predetermined the truth and are filtering out things according to what we want to believe just like they know in the backs of their minds that they are doing. (Most of them anyway.) So what you have is zero opportunity to make a case because they don’t realize there are those of us who have dug in and burned the midnight oil over the years trying to understand the big picture on some pretty complicated subjects. As well as on some not so complicated basics of freedom and our constitution. Take care, all.

  42. concerned | March 25, 2010 at 1:51 am | Permalink

    well, uhh, how representative democracy works is:

    1) the president & congress are elected

    2) the congress votes on bills, some of which pass

    3) bills that pass go to the president. if he agrees, he signs the bill.

    4) at the next election cycle, people vote again for the president & congress, considering what they did in steps 2 & 3.

    What is up with all the insane talk about “if brown won’t stop it, a browning will” and breaking windows? It’s really out of hand. You’re going to incite violence because a vote by our elected U.S. Congress didn’t go the way you wanted? Are you Republican first, or American first? Think about that seriously. It is really B.S. not to loudly denounce anyone who proposes violence – like this blogger. “Load your magazines and sharpen your knives.” Give me a break. Don’t tell me “that was just a metaphor” either. That is inciting political violence, a.k.a. terrorism. It is un-American.

  43. xyankeeworkshop | March 25, 2010 at 8:19 am | Permalink

    “That is inciting political violence, a.k.a. terrorism. It is un-American.”

    *NOT THAT I’M ADVOCATING IT UNDER THE PRESENT CONDITIONS, MR/MISS CONCERNED, BUT*
    The assertion that political violence is un-american is moronic. This country was born of politically-motivated violence and has been renewed and expanded over the years (for good and bad) by politically-motivated violence. The last, terrible option for the preservation of liberty via violence is enshrined in the Bill of Rights (hint – it ain’t about hunting). Are we there yet? No, not in my opinion. But there’s no question that certain elements of the country have been pushed closer to that point by this new, very real, and very serious government overreach piled on top of decades of lesser overreaches.

    There is no question that the powerful and connected in any society can get to a point where they feel they are beyond question, beyond accountability, untouchable, and bulletproof. History bears that out. The nature of these people is they can only realize that they crossed the line after they’ve feared for their lives or literally found themselves laying in a pool of their own blood.

    That the president and congress willfully and by naked legislative chickanery and bribery passed this bill that the vast majority of the country absolutely despise is pretty much undisputed by everyone short of those who really dig the socialism and federal control of, well, everything. The question for those inclined toward violence, both now and before the outbreak of earlier “unpleasantries”, is merely of risk and reward. But I really don’t think there’s a question about whether at some point soon, under this trajectory, that people will fight, people will be imprisoned, people will be maimed, and people will die. We’re not immune from human history.

  44. concerned | March 25, 2010 at 1:09 pm | Permalink

    OK granted, the revolution in 1776 did occur on the North American continent, so in that sense political violence is not un-American. I would even say agree in the absence of elected representation it was legitimate political violence.

    But I meant that political violence in America now is un-American in the sense of being against the principles of the United States of America. Those principles give us elected representation. We have not had “decades” of tyranny (in the sense of King George III) by either Democrats or Republicans, such as might actually legitimize some kind of rebellion. We just had a Republican president for the last 8 years! And the majority in Congress goes back and forth all the time.

    “Bribery”? You mean the pork in the bill? Yes, I agree it sucks, I would sincerely love to see this reformed too, it would be a serious good for the country. However, no one is claiming that this bill is out of the range of normal practice for either side (unfortunately). “Chicanery”? You mean the reconciliation procedure used to pass the bill? I am not an expert but apparently this is not unusual either. And just today the Republicans in the Senate managed to get a small change made to the bill so that it has to go back to the House. Is the House going to somehow ignore this rule? No, they are going to have another vote and (very likely) approve it again, according to the normal rules. That is how it works: when one group has been elected to a majority in Congress, and especially to the presidency at the same time, they can pass some laws that they wrote.

    Also this thing about passing a bill that “the vast majority of the country absolutely despise”: Just because Rush Limbaugh bellows on the radio and the poll numbers move, the U.S. Congress is not required to vote according to the minute-by-minute poll numbers. The People have recourse at the ballot box next time around. Maybe the public will hate the bill by then, maybe they will see some benefits and not hate it. We’ll see. One of the goals of representative democracy is to smooth out the emotions of the mob to at least the scale of a 4 year election cycle.

    So if you claim there have been “good and bad” instances of political violence or terrorism, can you name some good instances? 9/11 was a bad one right? Timothy McVeigh in Oklahoma – now, was that a good one or a bad one? Wait, on 9/11 they attacked the Pentagon – that makes it a good one, right? Or maybe you mean the Civil War? 700,000 Americans dead and the South laid waste for a generation. For the cause of some rich white guys being able to own black people as slaves. Nice. I bet a lot of those rich white guys managed to avoid getting shot up in the war, too.

    On the topic of rich guys inciting political violence: have you guys ever checked out the extreme wealth that Rush Limbaugh has? It is multiple mansions, private jets, that kind of money. He has a $400 million radio contract. Who is paying for the health care bill? Mostly taxes on the rich. Good for Rush Limbaugh, he’s a self-made man. But he is playing you guys for suckers. “You need to take up arms to protect my right to a private jet!” And not only that, he is actually being paid to incite people to violence. The more inflammatory he gets, the more money he makes. He’s not the one going to get shot up, it’s going to be some mentally disturbed listener, and some innocents caught in the crossfire. Thank God those security guards at the pentagon earlier this month were only wounded, not killed.

  45. pdb | March 25, 2010 at 5:17 pm | Permalink

    Wow, you just go ahead beating that strawman. How about you try arguing against what’s being said instead of what the voices in your head say?

  46. bobn | March 25, 2010 at 7:37 pm | Permalink

    Tam said:

    “Idahohunter,

    Eat me.”

    How come *I* never get cool invitations like that? ;)

  47. xyankeeworkshop | March 25, 2010 at 8:53 pm | Permalink

    Beating that strawman, pdb? Holy hell, that’s a frigging army of strawmen.
    I’d love to counter your last spew, concerned. But I’m going to need more time to bang my head against the desk in order to get into the right altered state of mind to wrap my brain around that last sentence.
    If you’re going to bitch about me hurling an ad homonym at you in lieu of an actual response, you’re absolutely correct. I’m ok with it…really I am. I’m pretty confident you can’t be reached and I don’t play strawman games.

  48. blarneystone | March 26, 2010 at 9:54 am | Permalink

    One thing I’ve thought of that seems to get little attention.
    In a Business Investors Daily poll of doctors a while back, nearly half of them said they would retire, or consider retiring from practice if this monstrosiy became law.
    Have you ever had to wait weeks for an appointment? Spend a couple hours past your appointment time in the waiting room?
    Don’t worry, it’ll get worse.
    Less Dr.s, more patients = HEALTH CARE RATIONING, something the dems said would never happen.
    Unintended consequenses are a bitch, unless they’re NOT unintended.
    Then it’s provocation by the enemy.

  49. Gewehre | March 26, 2010 at 7:17 pm | Permalink

    Concerned, you just don’t get it.

    Under the ” plan ” you don’t need healthcare insurance at all. Your pre-existing condition would allow you and the 33,999,999 other people to just get insurance when something comes up. It would allow me to drop my insurance coverage completely, and only purchase insurance again if I were to have somthing serious come up. This is like getting in a car accident then buying auto insurance that covers you for a pre-existing wreck. Read this carefully, and think it through. The goal of these socialists is to get to single payer and bankrupt the insurance industry. This bill does this.

    As to some of the comments that violence might happen, be needed, or is required I offer the following:

    We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.

    As for the Constitutionality of this bill I refer you to the Tenth Amendment:

    Amendment 10 – Powers of the States and People. Ratified 12/15/1791. Note

    The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.

    http://www.usconstitution.net it’s short, read it.

    The congress and president have violated the Constitution. The only branch of the Government to weigh in is the Judicial. Looking forward to it with OPEN ARMS.

    Always loaded, knives sharpened,
    Dan

  50. Gewehre | March 26, 2010 at 7:40 pm | Permalink

    pdb,

    Just remember it took jimmy carter to get us Ronald Reagan.

    Keep the faith,
    Dan

  51. mad Coyote | March 30, 2010 at 9:32 am | Permalink

    Concerned,

    wow , i thought for a moment there you were going to make sense.
    but then you started the typical drama scene of most barking moon bats, you know, the sarcasm about “good” attacks on the pentagon etc.etc. blah blah blah,………..
    but you had me going for a moment there.
    it really was a good start, you just couldn’t keep those little lefty loosy thought in though i guess. so sorry.

  52. The Bear | March 30, 2010 at 3:24 pm | Permalink

    Hey PDB..a friend of mine posted this link else net. Well said.

    Adam sounds a lot like a youngster that me an others are arguing with on another blog.

    I’m not even going to bother with Concerned.

    @Gewehre- it also violates the 13th.

  53. Larry J. Hord | April 2, 2010 at 8:47 am | Permalink

    Amen, by God!

  54. Les Baer | April 7, 2010 at 6:36 am | Permalink

    Seems like one hell of a Hoover is needed to suck up all the
    B.S. being shoved around our land? We should post a (GOOD HELP WANTED) sign at the entrance of Congress and the Senate!
    God help us all…