Comments on: Kel-Tec KSG: Wretched Pulsating Ball of Suck, Fail, Tears and Cancer

By: Some Scared Guy

Some Scared Guy — Tue, 23 Oct 2012 20:07:18 +0000

Yes, out of the box, the PLR-16 double-fed after every fired round with Kel-Tec’s stock 10-round magazine, and the P-Mags they recommended. When I got it back, the bolt carrier group, gas tube and piston, and the trigger group (?) looked to have all been replaced. At that point, I realized that whoever at Kel-Tec was testing it had no idea how to fix their own design, and they were just replacing everything to see if it worked.

I’ve had a few AR-pattern rifles over the past few decades, but I’ve never personally had a rifle double feed on me. I’ve had jams, FTF, FTE, etc., but not one double feed. Maybe I’m lucky, but my hands were shaking after I saw the last double feed in that PLR-16.

By: IZHUMINTER

IZHUMINTER — Tue, 23 Oct 2012 05:46:34 +0000

The PLR-16 is the only rifle caliber design you’ve ever seen double feed live rounds? You need to get out of the house more often. I’ve seen that from quite a few issued M16A1/M16A2/M4 and AR-15 clones over the years. I’ve even seen it in a Mini-14.

Consistently double feeding with different mags is a whole ‘nother story. The only time I got to shoot an M231, the one at the port next to me double fed every time…but other than that consistent double feeding has luckily been a rarity.

By: Some Scared Guy

Some Scared Guy — Mon, 22 Oct 2012 16:20:34 +0000

Not a surprise it didn’t work out of the box. I bought a PLR-16 from Kel-Tec, the 5.56 pistol they make, right when they came out. Thought it was a cool design, simple and easy to operate. Except it didn’t actually work. Only rifle caliber design I have ever seen DOUBLE FEED live rounds. When it double fed the first time, one round almost fed all the way and was at a shallow enough angle that the bolt coming back had a chance at hitting the primer. I thought, must be the magazine, no way that could happen again, cleared it, and it promptly double fed again. They got the gun so light by making it out of plastic, and it it had fired 5.56 out of battery, I could have blown my hand off.

Got the Kel-Tec guys on the phone, and they said, “Oh yeah, they do that sometimes, just send it back.” They fixed it, eventually, but I didn’t have the pistol for about two months, and it was clear that consistently DOUBLE FEEDING LIVE ROUNDS was not surprising to them. I got rid of that nightmare soon after.

Kel-Tec designs are beyond “bleeding edge,” well into a realm I call, the “blowing your face off edge.”

By: Mr Evilwrench

Mr Evilwrench — Mon, 22 Oct 2012 03:03:29 +0000

I’ve come to think that Kel-Tec is George Kellgren’s sandbox, where he can come up with his cool ideas, and produce just enough of them to finance further hacking. If he was serious about production, he’d invest in it.

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By: Tam

Tam — Fri, 19 Oct 2012 14:30:24 +0000

This is what you get when people who are casual shooters but not actual, you know, shooters design guns without input from any end users.

Ergonomics? That’s Greek, isn’t it?

Manual of arms? Yeah, we include one in the box. We even sprang for four-color printing!

By: Les Jones

Les Jones — Thu, 18 Oct 2012 16:49:43 +0000

I shot the KSG at the Luckygunner shoot. The pump action was rough. The tube selector was rough. It jammed hard on shells with a roll crimp.

That last problem is supposedly fixed and was only a problem on the “beta” version we were shooting. Apparently TFB’s problems were with “early production” versions. It’s like Kel-Tec has an excuse generator to explain away their mistakes.

Cool-looking gun. Nice and compact. Big capacity. Questionable execution by a small company that has innovative ideas, but a bad record for quality control and supply chain management.

By: Dennis

Dennis — Thu, 18 Oct 2012 15:37:14 +0000

Had a keltec P3AT for a backup to my Colt. Carried with the belt clip option in the small of my back. Got tired of people saying ” you dropped this ” and handing my magazine to me. It just wouldn’t keep the magazine in the gun and I bought it new.

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By: Marko Kloos

Marko Kloos — Thu, 18 Oct 2012 14:50:59 +0000

For half the price of a KSG, I can get a Benelli Nova that has a convenient mag cutoff button on the underside of the pump handle. I’m willing to bet that my old Nova let me switch to slugs in half the time it takes a KSG operator, and the Nova holds eight in the tube with the extender.

The KSG just seems like a solution to a non-existent problem. The short OAL is nice, but unnecessary for someone who doesn’t have to deploy their shotgun from a cruiser seat or the back of an APC. Then again, my house shotgun (Remington M11) has a 26″ fowling barrel on it, so I’m tragically un-tactical.